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Naomi1
#1 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 9:20:55 PM Quote
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The NICE guidelines keep stressing the benefits of multiple dmard therapy. I have been offered only one at a time (had to keep changing due to side effects). Everyone else at my clinic that is new to RA is only offered a single drug too (usually MTX). I'm too scared to question it in case I am seen as a difficult and ungrateful patient. I spoke to a fellow person on here who's RA is very well controlled. She's from Scotland and was started on 3 dmards at once. Is my hospital rheumie dep't really behind the times or what? Is it lack of funds. Don't rheumatologists follow NICE Guidelines? Perhaps they disagree with them. I don't know. I'm mystified. Anyone got any ideas on this? Thanks from Naomi.
LynW
#2 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 9:43:29 PM Quote
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Hi Naomi

Combination therapy where two or more drugs are used together as part of a treatment plan have been shown to be more effective than a single DMARD. NICE sets out guidelines for the use of Combination Therapy in patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis. From my experience all authorities are required to follow these guidelines which are considered to be 'best practice'. There are differences in procedure throughout the country but on the whole consultants within the NHS try to adopt best practice. There are two entirely different methods of Combination Therapy in use; the step up method and the step down method. Research has shown that patient outcomes are very similar and each approach has its pros and cons. One is not more successful than another.

To outline, in Scotland the method used by some rheumatologists appears to be the step down approach. Several DMARDs (usually Methotrexate, Sulfasalazine and Hydroxychloroquine) are combined at the outset to hit the disease hard and then they are reduced down over time if the disease is stabilised. Good results can be had, but equally it could mean over-treating the condition with drugs that are known to be highly toxic and can have serious side effects even when used individually; many people respond very well and can be controlled on one of these drugs alone. If problems do arise it may be very unclear which of the three drugs is causing the problem and consequently all three have to be stopped and re-started gradually.

In England and Wales the step up method is generally adopted. Many newly diagnosed patients will be given one drug initially. Methotrexate is the gold standard drug used in the treatment of RA and this is the one recommended in the NICE guidelines as the 'anchor' drug for combination therapy. Other drugs such as sulphasalasine, hydroxychloroquine, or similar can then be added, over a period of time, as part of the combination. One of the reasons for adding the drugs in slowly is so that the disease and efficacy of the drugs can be adequately monitored. If side effects develop it can be tricky to know which particular drug is causing the problem if the guidelines aren't followed. Often patients respond well to methotrexate and the disease is brought under control without additional drugs being introduced. The periods of waiting seem quite long but the drugs do act slowly in the build up phase and hence the reason for this. The outcomes need to be carefully monitored at each stage to ensure not only the efficacy of the drugs used but also the effects on other organs such as the liver and kidneys. This provides a more balanced approach to an individual's patients requirements.

Doctors in England and Wales are very much up to speed in modern rheumatology medicine and much of the research into combination therapy was undertaken by professors and reputable physicians in England! Only recently Professor Emery, a highly acclaimed rheumatologist in Leeds, has gone one step further with the trials into the early use of Enbrel (Etanercept) and Methotrexate.

Success of DMARDs between individuals is very difficult to quantify. We each have different profiles and tolerances and therefore individual outcomes to each of the drugs we are given. These amongst other factors make Rheumatoid Arthritis difficult to treat.

I guess Naomi it was particularly difficult in your case because of the side effects ... imagine if you'd been on two or three drugs at once! You also have to take account of the fact that as individuals we each have a different level of disease. What is easily controlled in one person may be much more difficult in someone with severe or aggressive disease. There's no 'one size fits all' where RA is concerned!

Hope that helps Smile

Lyn x
My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

Naomi1
#3 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 11:22:01 PM Quote
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Thank you Lyn for your reply. It has helped so much and it all really makes sense. I feel so much better about my treatment after reading this and I think the mono therapy approach initially was right in my case as i seem to be so sensitive to drugs. I've had to abandon oral Mtx then injectable mtx and Leflunomide before starting on Plaquenil (so far so good). I had no idea that the plan might be to step up the drugs one at a time. I will mention this to my rheumatologist. I had feared that I wasn't getting the best treatment and felt a bit miffed. i'm new to all this as I was only diagnosed in august 2011 so am a bit ignorant. I will sleep a bit more soundly tonight with the new knowledge so thanks once again. Naomi.
LynW
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:00:13 AM Quote
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Hi Naomi

Glad the info has helped in some way. As you have already 'failed' (hate the use of that word, sends me into a decline as chin hits floor once again!) Methotrexate and Leflunomide you could be on the way to anti-tnf treatment if Plaquenil doesn't do the job for you, but fingers crossed it will. I think it's so important that DMARDS are given a fair crack of the whip before moving on to other therapies; there is always a chance you will be successful on a less toxic drug. If Plaquenil helps but needs a little extra boost they can always add in something like sulphasalasine, the two seem to work well together.

The 'try it and see' approach can be very frustrating but for now that seems to be the best shot. The treat to target goals should help with better long term planning and treatment in RA. If only they knew at the outset which drugs would be most effective for which patients; again, an area undergoing much current research ; a lot of technical info there but you will get the gist of it i'm sure!

Lyn x
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Paula-C
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:30:38 AM Quote
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Hello Naomi

I was diagnosed in May 2008 and I was started on sulphasalasine, 4 a day, it was later increased to 6. MTX was added June 2010. Knowing what I know now about RA and the drugs I am glad that I didn't bombard my body with a cocktail of toxic drugs at first and my consultant took the more gentle approach, but on saying that since I started taking the meds I have never had the initial RA pain that I had at the beginning, I may look at it differently if my RA had progressed quickly.

The guidelines are what they are say they are 'guidelines' they are not set in stone that every consultant has to follow, some consultants prefer doing it the way that they think is best for the patient. I have often wondered why I wasn't put on MTX at first, this seems to be the norm, but for some reason my consultant favored sulphasalasine for me.

I'm glad that Lyn's words of wisdom as helped you and like she said, if you had of been on three different meds at once, how would you you or your consultant know which one was causing side effects?

Hope the new drug works well for you and you start to feel better soon.

Paula x


zena_mary
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:44:01 PM Quote
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Thankyou Naomi for asking this question, it is something that I have often wondered about. also thankyou Lynne for such a detailed explanation.
It is the wait of getting sorted that is so difficult. Before I started on biologic meds. I asked about trying other dmards but I think that they thought three was enough of a trial. I asked again last week when it was decided that I had not responded enough to rtx. but still reluctant, Iam now to start a new drug it seems. I am a bit concerned that if I go onto another biologic the rtx will still be in my system because it has only been three months since I had it and rtx infusions are given 6 months apart. I guess I will have to ring up and find out, wish I'd thought about it at the time but there is so much to think about in a short time. Anyway sorry to ramble off the point.
But to get back to your first queery, I have often wondered if I had been more bombarded at the beg. of my treatment, or even two years ago when I began to fail with everything, whether I would be in a better position now. However I cannot fault my team now, so its all water under the bridge and we must be possitive and get on with it!!!!!
Thanks all Zena x.
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